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Help For The sethworks List
Please make sure we're talking about the sethworks list. Please look now at a group email from the list that concerns you. The "To:" header should look like the letters in red:


From: "John Doe" <john.doe@somewhere.com>
To: "The list name" <sethworks@dreamworld.org>
Subject: My dream last night

If it does, then you're in the right place. If it does not, you will end up configuring the wrong list, and that won't solve your problem.

Don't kill the wrong messenger.

 

 

The Basics

Online Groups? Mailing lists?
Same thing. Just two different names for the very same thing. They're also known as reflectors, and listserves. If you are receiving group emails then you are subscribed to a list and you are known as a listie. You can customize or cancel your subscription to the list at any time by emailing a precisely-worded command to the list manager, known affectionately as Nightmare, the cranky dreamworld mail robot, or just the robot.

What Is The "Robot"?
The Agent That Runs Mail Lists. It's the affectionate name for the cranky, cantankerous, and snarky entity, patterned after the grandfather in Walter Miller's Texas Hell. Joking aside, it is five pieces of software: a DNS resolver, an SMTP listener, a robot handler which I wrote (it does things like make private your email address), a listserver, and an SMTP delivery module.

You can customize your listie status by emailing a command to the robot.

 

What Is A "Listie"?
A Current Member. Someone who is, right now, subscribed to any of the lists.

What Is A "Post"?
A Group Email. If you send an email to the group, the email is called a "post". You can post a posting.

What Is An "ISP"?
Internet Service Provider. Typically, these are the people you pay a monthly fee for your internet connection. For example, AOL.com, Earthlink.com, SBC.COM, etc.

What Is A "Mail Provider"?
They Run Your Email Address. If your email address is SuperDuper@example.com, then example.com is your mail provider. Examples are hotmail.com, yahoo.com, and gmail.com. Usually your ISP is your mail provider, but some people choose to use a different mail provider than their ISP. For example, their ISP may be AOL but they use a yahoo mail account.

What Is A "Bounce"?
A Rejection Notice. You tried to send an email but it was rejected. Typical reasons are, the person you were trying to reach does not exist, the mail server was down for maintenance, etc.

 
Features

What Are Your Policies?
Freedom. In all its forms. Freedom from fear, from privacy invasions, from harrassment, from spam.

How Do You Decide What's Private?
If It Shows Faces Or Full Names. With some exceptions, like public figures, if I have permission, etc.

Why Email? Why Not A Web Board?
We Have Web Boards Too. They are here.

When Are The Live Chats?
Ask The List. Some groups do them on a schedule. Some impromptu. The entrance is here. Your browser must support Java. If not, use an IRC client on port 6667 and connect to irc.dreamworld.org

Here you have many choices and options to communicate

 
Danged Unicorns
Please be absolutely sure the command you are emailing pertains to the correct list. This cannot be overemphasized.

Many people are subscribed to two, three, or more lists within the dreamworld system. They could be subscribed to a list about unicorns, a second list about movies, and a third list about books. They will wish to leave the list about unicorns. But they mistakenly send a command to leave the list about books instead.

Then they wonder why they are still receiving mail about unicorns. And they will write to complain that the robot doesn't work. They sent the command, but it didn't take them off that danged unicorn list.

The robot will do exactly as you say
(so be careful with spelling & grammar)

 
I Never Make Mistrakes
The robot is just a piece of software. Computer programs tend to be very consistent. If they fail, they'll always fail in the same way. If they work, they tend to be solid and never "go bad" from age. The robot has been working at dreamworld since 1997 and has virtually always worked flawlessly if the email command is issued correctly. In all that time, the robot has learned that "those silly humans" tend to make the same mistakes.

Common errors
  Sending a command to the list robot . . .
         . . . about the wrong list            
          . . . using non-command words, like please, or like get me on, or like take me off
          . . . using punctuation like !!!!! or ending the command with a period.
          . . . from the wrong email address
. . . containing html codes

Good commands have always worked.

 

 
Gripes
If you could customize your life for the better...and make it just how you want it...would you? Or would you just walk away from it all?

Maybe it's hard to do that with your whole life. But it is easy to do with a mailing list. Here are some ways to customize your experience of the list, so you get what you want from it.

Why leave? Why suffer in silence?

Is there something about the list that bothers you? It can usually be fixed.

It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.

Too Much Mail
It Will Get Better. If you're not used to an active list, the emails may seem like a flood. Then you start reading the back-and-forth, and start following the threads. You'll probably start to get into it. Meanwhile you can use this technique to help you deal successfully with it.

Too Chatty / Too Political / Too This / Too That
Change The Topic. You are in control! Raise another topic more to your liking. Someone will answer you. Ignore the chatter you dislike.

Common List Problems
You Can Change The List.
You may think others control the list. You have more power than you realize. The truth is that each person controls the list. It is easier to complain. But don't say there's nothing you can do. Click on the links below to solve some common problems.

Too much mail The list is too... Hate a topic
Too off-topic I got attacked No free speech
Hate someone Too little mail I don't have time
You are in control. You have your hand on the steering wheel too
 
Troubleshooting

I'm Having A Problem
Talk To Me, Not To Other Listies. Although they are your list friends, and although they are worthy and exalted members, with the greatest respect, they do not run dreamworld. They can't do the things I do because the robot wouldn't obey them if they tried. Write me directly, at my alternative address (below) if necessary. Pick out your problem from the following.

I Tried To Post But My Mail Bounced Saying I'm A Spammer
Your Mail Provider Has Been Bad. An authority on the internet has branded your email provider as a spammer, or someone who supports spammers. For example, if your email account is SuperDuper@example.com, then example.com is your mail provider. The rejection message means the people at example.com let spammers send out junk email from the example.com mail servers. An internet authority (called a DNSBL) noticed this, and set up a worldwide notice that says "Yo, check it out, example.com supports spam". My dreamworld robot subscribes to that automatic notice system. When the robot sees mail coming from example.com, it replies to example.com saying "None of your mail is allowed here because I hear that you send spam". My robot then refuses your email, and that is why you get it back. The thing to notice is that dreamworld does not run the notice or the authority. It subscribes to them.

The way to fix this problem is to forward the bounced email to my alternative address at GreatAlfredini@gmail.com. If example.com is not too egregious a spammer, I will talk to the robot and I will say, "Listen, even though example.com is a spammer, let their mail in anyway so that this listie can post".

I Haven't Received List Mail In A Long Time
Your ISP is behaving strangely. There are one or two major mail providers who suddenly, a few months ago, started holding off on accepting dreamworld mail. They do not reject it, and dreamworld is not branded a spammer, and is not on a DNSBL list. What happens is, when dreamworld tries to deliver mail to your mail provider, the transaction goes well until the end, when your email provider says "I'm not here". Therefore your list mail piles up at dreamworld, waiting to be delivered. The only good news is, it's not lost. It's here, waiting to get to you. I'm working on figuring out the problem. If you cannot wait, you can always sign up to the list with a www.gmail.com account, we seem to have no problems writing to them and their user interface is excellent, and it's free.

All My List Mail Is Arriving, But It Is Really Late
Your ISP is behaving strangely II . There is one major mail provider that's doing this. It is the same problem as above, except once in a while your mail provider says "Well, alright, I'll be nice, I'll take one of your emails." It takes a month's worth of tries until I get lucky, which is why your mail is a month late. Again, if you can't wait until I figure it out you could subscribe using a www.gmail.com account.

How Do I Sign Up For Dreamworld With GMail?
Very Easy. Just go to www.gmail.com. Go through their process to obtain an email address. Make sure you can go into your mailbox. Then come to the dreamworld sign-up page and type in your brand new Gmail address. List mail will begin arriving at your GMail inbox. Please note that once the problems above have been resolved, you will be getting list mail at two different email inboxes. At that point, you may choose to unsubscribe one of the two email addresses that are receiving list mail. Which one to unsubscribe is up to you.

Only Certain Emails Of Mine Don't Post.
The Robot Couldn't Swallow It. There are several reasons this could be. It may have been too big, had the wrong address, contained an attachment, been CCd or BCCd to the robot (making it look like relay spam), etc. If you send me the date, time and key words of the email I'll try to see what happened.

Dreamworld List Mail Shows Up In My Spam Box
Irresponsible Users Falsely Accused Us. Boy, have they got the wrong guy. I hate spammers with a passion. What sometimes happens is that irresponsible users sign up for a dreamworld list. Later, they want to stop getting mail, so like lazy bastards they click the "this is spam" button rather than unsubscribe from the list. Their mail provider thinks that dreamworld is a spammer. If you use the same mail provider, then the emails go to your spam box too. The solution is to click the "this is not spam" button and write your email provider and tell them to take dreamworld off their spam filter. And if you ever meet an irresponsible user, tell them off.

I Don't See My Problem Listed
Write Me Directly. My alternative email address is GreatAlfredini@GMail.com

You Are Ignoring My Pleas
You Haven't Really Read These Instructions. I have a job, a house to run, relatives and friends to be with, pets to look after, dinner to make, and thousands of other members with real needs. I can't be hand-reading these instructions to every person who can't be bothered to read the instructions and wants to be spoonfed the same instructions personally by me. I already took time away from visiting my cousin, looking for a girlfriend, or doing the gardening, to write this web page with these instructions. The least you could do is read them. Sometimes people who write me belligerent letters saying they already read the instructions are lying (I can tell if they didn't write the robot first). Or they claim they followed the instructions but I can tell they didn't follow the instructions because they used punctuation in their list command, or they misspelled the list name, and then they yell at me about how the robot "doesn't work". I feel very disappointed and very disrespected by this. If you can't be bothered to read (not skim, not glance, read) these instructions, then you do not respect me, and you do not know, or do not respect, all the personal time and effort I give up to put into this.

 

 
Good List Etiquette
Were You Raised In A Barn? As in any other realm, you can advertise that you have manners and respect other people. Or, you can advertise that you don't have manners, and you don't respect other people. Learn about internet manners and mailing list manners.

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Customizing Your sethworks Subscription
Take Charge! Now that you are suitably nervous about doing everything right, what would you like to know? Here you will find the commands to send the robot in order to make it do things.

Why am I on? Reset my errors Get verbose help
See my status Copy myself ON Copy myself OFF
Join the list Digest mode ON Digest mode OFF
Leave the list Vacation mode ON Vacation mode OFF

 

 

Who Are You?
Alfredo Jacobo Perez Gomez From '80. I'm just a computer-literate person who decided to do this. Here is my personal web page.

Comments, questions, and feedback are always very welcome
 

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